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'''[[Meetup To-Do]]''' list and other on-going volunteer work.
== PortlandWiki Meetup: Friday, October 11, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
Got halfway through update process. Have done:
# put wiki in read-only mode
# made backup of mediawiki install & SQL db
# downloaded new mediawiki install to root
# unpacked new mediawiki install to root
# copied old images folder to new mediawiki install
# ended here, took wiki out of read-only mode
# kotra made this post, dave put wiki back into read-only mode overnight
To do tomorrow:
# copy old extensions over one by one (as needed) to new mediawiki install
# copy old localsettings, htaccess, and wiki logo to new mediawiki install
# copy anything else necessary for first try
# rename old (currently live) install to today's date, rename new mediawiki install to live name (portlandwiki.org?)
# deal with fallout
# take wiki out of read-only mode
# celebrate with booze & drugs

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
Updating procedure for next meeting:
see also procedure listed at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Can_my_wiki_stay_online_while_it_is_upgrading.3F
# download latest stable release of mediawiki
# put wiki in read-only mode (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Can_my_wiki_stay_online_while_it_is_upgrading.3F)
# back up PW (mediawiki install & SQL db)
# install using manual SQL patch http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/upgrade_problems:_1.11_--_1.21/reply_(16) 
:- This link shows the string more accurately: https://github.com/web-payments/payswarm.com/blob/master/mediawiki/maintenance/archives/patch-rev_sha1.sql
# disable, update, and re-enable all extensions in use, one by one if wiki is broken
# fix CSS styling (Common.css and/or skins)... examples of broken styling: homepage
# disable read-only mode

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Friday, September 6, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
;Where &mdash; [[Three Friends]]

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
;Where: [[User:WikiMaster|WikiBastard]]'s squalid little apartment, situated on the outskirts of Portland's lustrous, fancy-schmancy<ref>[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fancy%20Shmancy Urban Dictionary definition of "fancy shmancy," the wrongly spelled and poorly grammared version of "fancy-schmancy."]</ref> [[Pearl District|Pearl]].

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
;Where &mdash; [[Three Friends]]
; New articles and/or redirects and/or categories<nowiki>:</nowiki>
* <span class="plainlinks">[http://portlandwiki.org/Category:Comedy Category:Comedy]</span>
* <span class="plainlinks">[http://portlandwiki.org/Category:TV Category:TV]</span>
* [[In Other Words]]
* [[Vista Bridge]]

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
;Where &mdash; [[Three Friends]]
; New articles and/or redirects<nowiki>:</nowiki>
* [[Corno's Food Market]]
* [[Thorns]]
* [[Portland Thorns]]
* [[Portland Thorns FC]]

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
;Where &mdash; [[Open Source Bridge]]<ref>[http://opensourcebridge.org/ Open Source Bridge: The conference for open source citizens / June 18-21, 2013 / Portland, OR]</ref> in [[First Unitarian Church]]'s Eliot Center.<ref>[http://eliotcenterportland.org/ The Eliot Center]</ref>
; New articles<nowiki>:</nowiki>
* [[Open Source Bridge]]

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Friday, May 31, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
; Where &mdash; [https://plus.google.com/104571884700625040852/about Three Friends Coffee House] &bull; 201 SE 12th Ave Portland, OR 97214
; New articles and/or redirects<nowiki>:</nowiki>
* [[Phone booths]]
* [[WikiBastard‎]]

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Thursday, May 17, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
; Where &mdash; [https://plus.google.com/104571884700625040852/about Three Friends Coffee House] &bull; 201 SE 12th Ave Portland, OR 97214
; New articles<nowiki>:</nowiki>
* [[SOAK*]]
* [[NW Animation Festival]]
* [[Psychiatric Security Review Board]]
Also added content to [[Coffee and Tea Shops]], [[Worker-Owned Cooperatives]] and [[Marijuana cafes]].

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Thursday, May 2, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
; Where &mdash; [https://plus.google.com/104571884700625040852/about Three Friends Coffee House] &bull; 201 SE 12th Ave Portland, OR 97214
; Pre-meetup topic suggestion<nowiki>:</nowiki>
: (Slightly off topic.) [[Organized Power]] as a media organization.
:: Funding source:
:: - Dues-paying members.

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Thursday, April 18, 2013 &bull; 7:00 p.m. ==
; Where &mdash; [https://plus.google.com/104571884700625040852/about Three Friends Coffee House] &bull; 201 SE 12th Ave Portland, OR 97214
; Projects Discussed
* Editors commit to 3 new edits per week.
* Possible web server in [[User:WikiMaster|Dave]]'s apartment to host PortlandWiki.
: (See [[telecafe:User:Dave/Web Hack Notes (Non-Wiki)#Web_Server_.26_Hosting|server notes]].)

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Saturday, March 30, 2013 &bull; 1:00 p.m. ==
; Where &mdash; [http://barcampportland.org/ BarCamp Portland]; (held at [[First Unitarian Church]]).
; Projects Discussed
* Grassroots media. How can local new media organization launch and thrive?

== PortlandWiki Meetup: Thursday, 14 February 2013, 7:00 p.m. ==
; Where &mdash; [[The MEZZ]]
; Projects Discussed
* Festivals
* Billboard and Mural Decisions: Legal actions relating to Portland's anti-graffiti law.
* Soak
** done! [[User:Kotra|kotra]] ([[User talk:Kotra|talk]]) 21:02, 17 May 2013 (PDT)
* Prisons &amp; jails in Portland.
* The Intertwine
;  Next PortlandWiki Meetup - Saturday, March 30, 2013 at [http://barcampportland.org/ BarCamp Portland] at 1<nowiki>:</nowiki>00 pm.

==WikiWednesday Meetup 2/15/12==
aka Occupy Portland Wiki meetup
We're at Lucky Lab (SE Hawthorne at 9th). Present: Kotra, Dave, Sylvia

;Agenda:
* Follow up on Wepay discussion
* Server update
* Meeting location

Kotra and Dave set up a bank account for PortlandWiki. Kotra also set up a WePay account page and PortlandWiki info page. Sylvia will start adding info to it. Dave and Kotra will ensure that the wiki page is secure. Kotra and Sylvia will do test donations.

On the server, Dave thinks that the feed set up that Kotra removed may have helped with some of the trouble we'd been having. But we've also had less traffic in the less couple of weeks so it could be that too. Kotra will look for other feed methods. In any case, Dave will continue to keep any eye on this. 

The music at Lucky Lab seems to be louder the past couple of weeks so we may be moving the next few meet-ups. We'll look at some possible places.

==WikiWednesday Meetup 2/8/12==
aka Occupy Portland Wiki meetup
We're at Lucky Lab (SE Hawthorne at 9th). Present: Kotra, Dave, Sylvia

;Agenda:
* Check-ins
* Editing the [[Multnomah County Library]] page on [[PortlandWiki]]
* Starting up a donation campaign and setting up a donation account
* Server problems, site updates
* Announcements?

[[Kotra]] is starting to enhance the [[Multnomah County Library]] page. He may be able to add a button that allows you to click onto the page in the [http://multcolib.org/ Multnomah County Library System] for that topic. [[Sylvia]] also searched the events and classes pages of the [[MLS]] and found nothing on wikis. The library also has many books on wiki. Perhaps we can link to those on the PortlandWiki [[Multnomah County Library]] page.

Sylvia shared info on [http://WePay.com WePay] as a possible way to get donations through Portland Wiki, plus shared other fundraising campaign ideas. See [[PortlandWiki:Finances| Portland Wiki finance proposals]]. Kotra and Dave read the WePay website, like it and agree Portland Wiki will get started with it. It also allows for a public notice of account info, if we want (and we do). They will also set up a Portland Wiki bank account at [[Albina Community Bank]] (they have 5 branches in PDX) by next Wednesday; and full disclosure on PW finances will be posted. Kotra will create a WePay account asap. We will also build a new page about the donations appeal, what costs PW has and why we are doing this -- all before we go live with a donation button. This will be part of a community plan to support PW where we will do asks around town and on our social media sites.

[[Dave]] and [[Kotra]] are doing tests on the site but they are currently inconclusive. We know that we need to do something on the server front. Perhaps this is one of the first things we do with new contributions.

==WikiWednesday Meetup 2/1/12==
aka [[Occupy Portland Wiki]] meetup

Last week we met at [[World Cup Roasters]] on W. Burnside but didn't take notes. 

This week we're at [[Lucky Lab]] (SE Hawthorne at 9th). Present: [[Kotra]], [[Dave]], [[Sylvia]]

; Agenda:
* Check-ins
* Multnomah Library meeting update
* Communication with other groups
* Server problems, site updates
* Announcements?

We reviewed our meeting with Jeremy at Multnomah Library admin. It was a good meeting -- Jeremy's awesome and doing great work with his tech, marketing team. We'll post more detailed notes later after Sylvia or Dave get the typed up. We've got several fresh ideas for how we may be able to link up down the road and other ways that we can enhance Portland wiki.

We also talked about the Occupy Portland Library and want to invite them for a discussion about where and how they're posting library content, and to ask if they (or any other librarians they've worked with) would be interested in linking up with PW. Sylvia will contact Leah or Mark at the OPDX Library. We may also want to contact [[Radical Librarians]] about getting involved with or consulting on PW.

Dave noted the server was down for a short while today. This continues to be a problem for us: we need tech support to help us figure out bandwidth problems; plus we need other possibilities for server hosting.

Kotra is cleaning up old content on the main page.

==WikiWednesday Meetup 1/11/12==
aka Occupy Portland Wiki meetup

At Lucky Lab (SE Hawthorne at 9th). Present: Kotra, Dave, Mark, Sylvia

;Agenda:
* Check ins
* Multnomah Library update
* Server problems
* Communications and Occupy PortlandWiki meet ups
* Announcements?

Mark: Sylvia and I have been out of town, trying to catch up on wiki.

Sylvia: How do we proceed in 2012 after discussion we had at Whole Foods in December about Occupy wiki work and plan we discussed after Portland wiki survey data came back?

Kotra: Been somewhat inactive on wiki but slowly getting back to it. Priorities on Portland wiki are finish pencil icon next to improve link and create one step creation of an occupy event.

Mark: Someone made attempt to make clear how to add a new event on wiki	

Dave: Sent out an email about dialogue w/ Multnomah Library folks – basically trying to feel out IT people and get a relationship about where it could go to help support PortlandWiki (PW). Could include community outreach, meet ups, and other possibilities. So far they seem interested in having a conversation.

PW server went down again yesterday and Canvas Dreams doesn’t seem to be working out. The server issues are that we’re taxing the hell out of it. This isn’t a matter of just boosting current server but getting more IT support and resources. The wiki is at a place where it could really use more hands on the back-end stuff.

In a dream scenario, we’d want a relationship where we could still do our updates and someone takes care of the background IT support.

Mark: What technical needs do we need, aka wish list? For example, server maintenance, url redirects, j-query, php, developer who understands media wiki. Built wiki statistics page with alexa, wiki factor and google index. PW is growing pretty rapidly. We went from ranking of 689,924 to 611,128 – increase of 88k in 6 mos! Went from 2000th most popular website in Oregon to 7000th – hmm, seems counterintuitive!

Dave: this issues could also be affecting our bandwidth issues.

Kotra: maybe spiders

Dave: a lot of increase in PW traffic is a result of the occupy events page. Analytics also show that people are going to other pages. 

All agreed: we will join Occupy PDX communications folks at PSU Smith cafeteria at 1pm on Sunday to link up on communications work.

Dave: is going to intern fair on 1/12 at PSU to get occupy wiki volunteers

Mark and Kotra: will build a shared calendar for posting PW meetings and events that could also link to google calendars.

Reminder: weekly meetings at Lucky Lab Wednesdays at 7pm at Lucky Lab, SE Hawthorne and 9th.


==Wednesday Meetup 12/14/11==
At [[The Mezz]] (Whole Foods NW Couch/12th). Present: Kotra, Sylvia, Mark, Dave.

Notes:

=== Preliminary agenda for [[Occupy Portland Wiki]] meetup ===

==== First half ====
Discussion.
* Clarify event creation instructions
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Visual_editor Visual calendar]
* [[Occupy Portland]] front page
* Pull together [[Occupy Portland Wiki|OCW]] committee
* Occupy Portland Wiki mission statement
* Other needed improvements to editing process and Occupy Portland pages.

==== Second half ====
Work.

=== Next week events ===
* Next Mon 7pm Unitarian Church: 
:* Theme: Occupy Portland Wiki
* Next wed 7pm Lucky Lab
:* Labor at 5:30
:* General wiki and PortlandWiki at 7:00

=== PortlandWiki tasks to do ===
* PortlandWiki Values / wikiquette page
* 301 redirects / SEO (look up who figured the issue out)
* Create Portland Occupier page
* Submit an article to Portland Occupier about Occupy Portland Wikiend email to Ti

'''Kotra to do tasks'''
* <s>Send email to Tiff & Simon asking if they want to meet & when</s> Done
* if no availability/response within next day, go with Monday

==Wednesday Meetup 9/28/11==
At [[The Mezz]] (Whole Foods NW Couch/12th). Present: Kotra, Julie, Matthew, Sylvia.

Agenda:
* 12 month themes for 2012
* Review of survey results
* Virtual badges on PW
* 2012 workshop or "hack-a-thon"
* Testing extensions on PW
* Next meetup topics


Notes:
* 12 month themes for 2012
:- To encourage PW participation and build content, we might consider coming up with 12 themes for 2012.
:- Each theme could build on particular topics or pages in PW, including image files that we want to link to.
: - Let's start thinking through a list of possibilities for the next mtg.

* Review of survey results
:- We got 25 completed surveys with good feedback.
:- Julie is compiling them into an easy to read summary.
:- There are several ideas that we may be able to act on soon and others that can help with long-term PW planning.

* Virtual badges on PW
:- Julie will start designs (as .jpg or .gif, <100kb) for virtual badges to give PW content contributors to recognize their work.
:- Badges will be something like -- "Top Editor," (weekly and monthly), "Most New Pages Builder," "First Time Contributor." We need more ideas!
:- We can probably break down further top contributors, e.g., number of image files contributed, etc.
:- Kotra will look into how to give notification of a badge through "gifts."
:- People can work toward top positions through their contributions.
:- How can we identify categories? Decide parent categories? 
:- We can also create different types of editors for an editing team, e.g. copy editor, culture editor, music editor, photography editor, etc.

* 2012 workshop or "hack-a-thon"
:- We can kick start 2012 with a Saturday workshop that feeds off of info from the survey.
:- What will set out to accomplish? What are our tasks? Division of labor?
:- This could also be an editorial planning meeting with a list of goals that combines a day of discussion and group work on PW.
:- A part of the workshop could be a space for new people although this event isn't intended as a barnraising or Wiki 101. Mark is great with bringing people up to speed.
:- Goal: Produce a benefit to PW by the end of the day. For instance, work needed is: 301 redirects, skin, top level categories, upload photos to pages, work on red links.
:- We should decide some ideas ahead of time instead of defaulting to an unconference.

* Testing extensions on PW
:- Kotra did some new thread extensions with Dave, they have been testing them.
:- Extensions have many features similar to a forum such as: making it easy to comment and reply, delete/edit comments. Currently, each comment is a space in a thread--liquid threads. 

* Next meetup topics
:- Review compiled survey data (Julie)
:- Draft list of possible 2012 themes (Sylvia)
:- Decide how to better organize weekly meetups, review previous meetup notes of what we said we wanted to get done (Sylvia)
:- Start compiling list of tasks (Matthew)
:- Figure out next steps for extensions (Kotra)
:- Follow up with Canvas Dreams (Dave and Kotra)

==Monday Meetup 9/26/11==
At The Mezz (Whole Foods NW Couch/12th). Present: Kotra, Dave, Sofia, Mark, Sylvia. 

We discussed meeting today with Canvas Dreams about possible website hosting.

====Canvas Dreams Notes====
;PortlandWiki Meeting with Canvas Dreams
9/26/11

Present: David Anderson; Kotra, Dave, Mark, Sylvia

PortlandWiki (PW) is interested in possibility of Canvas Dreams (CD) hosting the site on CD servers.

About Canvas Dreams: David describes Canvas Dreams as a sustainable business with noble purposes. They offer human support vs, tech support, emphasis on helping customers across many areas of their online support needs. CD is an Oregon-based company, headquarters is in Portland. About 1/2 of their U.S. customers are in the Northwest. Support approx. 6000 domains. Don't do much advertising, most business through referrals.

Their business philosophy rests on 3 'C's: Conservation, Community, and Commerce. They always want to reach back into the community with their work.

PortlandWiki is currently hosted by DreamHost out of Los Angeles. PortlandWiki has existed for about 3 years, has had slow growth and is an entirely volunteer project with no budget; active editors have ranged from 2-15 people. PW has the potential to really take off. Traffic has increased over past several months and we track Alexa rankings on the wiki.

We are looking for local, sustainable hosting. We are also following up on CD's hosting offer that was left on PW itself.

;What may be available through Canvas Dreams:
* Have VPS and shared servers.
* Shared environment: no over sell, allows space for future growth of sites. Servers are very expensive capital but CD has been in the resources to be prepared for future needs. 
* David suggests the shared plan as he says it gives better performance and environment; is a problem in an oversell situation but isn't a problem that CD has.
* There is no root access but PW can get jailed cell access; VPS root/cPanel memory intensive.
* VPS: is a slice of cheese of a big block so only get a slice of possible performance.
* CD hosts some wikis -- cPanel, lap stack.
* Shared plan costs $7.50/mo, includes, 3g storage, 60g/mo bandwidth.  They may be able to host free or offer non-profit discount.

;PortlandWiki needs:
* Recently bumped up to 600mb (?) allotment thru DreamHost but looking for a partner to host.
* Need access to bibli-shelf and configure-modifications to make site more available or less resource intensive.
* We don't have a budget so hoping for a trade, in-kind support, i.e. advertisement on PW site for CD hosting.
* We'd need access to PHP-INI, it's important and where most PW problems have occurred.
* VPS works for us. Found that we quickly outgrew shared option in past, it was less and less available. Wikis aren't notoriously efficient. Wikimedia continually tunes up back end because of this.

Canvas Dreams can offer today a subdomain to try it out.  

CD is a community-oriented experience, supports community programs. Staff have been trying to determine best way to approach this and to support customers.

With blogs like Wordpress, they've found that since add-ons and extensions in the repository don't get vetted, they often contain exploits and bad code that can bring the server to a crawl; accounts get suspended, VPS would prevent this.

CD needs to know from PW: VPS -- dedicated resources and RAM needs. They have a great open source platform. VPS is clustered: 1 processing, 1 stored. All VPS work is in this space. Can add nodes.

Downsides: VPS backup space not auto-included. Normally would cost $11/mo. CPanel requires 512mg RAM, not offered on VPS1; VPS3 is $71/mo. With this no one will access our space and there is rarely an issue with this.

PW would need to pay license, and install PHP, mySQL.

We could set up a dev account. Maybe cPanel does things faster, not sure.

Perfect degredation (has seen) on VPS -- fraction of the performance. Can query mySQL processes.

Try to adhere to server use plans CD already has. Having privacy, security and root -- seems PW is more of a candidate for VPS route. Each CD plan has resource limits. With shared plan we'll get notifications that we can review.

Shared: performance and economy best option. Within shared: cPanel (easy patching, makes available all patches available -- some not permitted.) Is PARE in shared environment? Not sure if is switched on at CD.

PW: Is a Civic wiki; most wikis hosted out of someone's home and libraries. This may be first community wiki-business alliance.

Even with highest plan, likely CD could work out something with us. Would like to see what we could do with this. 

PW is still determining where it's going: new interface, slick it up; easier use, read, edit. In time, expect it to be an indispensable resource in PDX -- topics, direct actions, nitty gritty in local communities; great info we don't always expect. PW is a stitching together of resources in the community, especially for local searches and information.

Youth may also love a new place besides Facebook to get involved with but wikis needs to be easier to use and more engaging.

;How can Canvas Dreams also benefit thru this agreement?
CD has been unable to get over how to do advances on direct community outreach, connect customers to each other, help support one another during hard times. PW could become the definitive place for this: could help CD achieve its goals on getting in touch with community and connect. Hoping to highlight organizations and clients in monthly newsletter. PW feels like a virtual organization in line with CD values.

In return, PW would offer CD advertising on each PW page and we could write an article about CD. Sounds like we both can benefit. 

CD needs to know current resources on PW:
space, monthly bandwidth, traffic, average sessions/visitors per day to help gauge need.

Dave will follow up with these requests. Mark is posting current specs at [[PortlandWiki:Hosting]]

Mark and Kotra think the search engine rankings would be better one we cleaned up the 301 redirect problems with diffs and history.

==WikiWednesday Meetup 8/25/11==
PW meeting notes
8/25/11

Present: Dave, Sophia, Kotra, Matthew, Julie, Mark, Sylvia

Agenda:
:A. Review ideas for portland wiki interface, layout
:B. Ideas for new PW skin
:C. PW survey update
:D. Recent Changes

;A. Review ideas for Portland Wiki interface, layout
Sophia brought in some sample drawings for new skins on PW. They're really creative and fun. Her goal is to help draw more youth to the site. Mark says Aaron builds wiki skins. 

Some of the design proposal elements include:
:(a) Idea: jokey teacher lady for search box--an instruction person, link boxes on left hand side that link to global community, our blog, large photo box in center of page
center blocks structured similar to a newspaper with similar structure, maybe in news font with headline PortlandWiki Times. 

:(b) on center top: a lg search bar

:(c) right menu with starburst bubbles where people can make links to their own events and takes you to events page to also see what others have posted. Could look like a tourist brochure with like, concert info. Use a little "post" button.
:(d) make stumpy with an axe guy (oh shit!). Also need a suggestions box, plus an area where people can make comments on pages.

;feedback --
* it's simple, not filled with a hundred words. just welcome, portland wiki, search

* we could have a carousel with links to articles that are cool. perhaps also have ways for interactive events like calligator links in; actual events aren't obvious now

* would be good to have events that are usually put on facebook if there was another way where you could invite to anyone not just certain friends.

* Inside pages need more art, pictures, visually attractive. less like wikipedia. idea of still staying as a wiki is good. youth she knows usually don't edit pages just search but for PW they could add info so make more attractive and easier to use. 

* events page should have more color. Keywords could be a different color. It can't be "old" looking. Pages to be kind of decorated or have themes.

* make events page look like an album color. The site will also always suffer with photos until we can come up with an easier way to post them But typography could probably be done.

;* whole idea to make it look like the site is alive.

* we're sort of back to square one. we could go out and ask for money to do this full time.

;What can we do now?
Mark: will contact Aaron to ask if he might be interested in creating a PW 

Matthew: maybe have some kind of design contest.

Dave and Kotra: we can do stuff now like colors. changing layou of indiv articles is possible now and introducing elements into articles or pages. The front page could have some flexibility but some elements are more difficult than others. For color changes we'd have to change css.

Matthew: suggests we change the background color from gray to something else. We've have to change around vector. 

Kotra: background is gradation and everything else is text.


;B. Ideas for new PW skin
Matthew has test design that would change pages: moving edit button, help make look more cool looking. right now best we can do is add a photo but it's a pain so instead maybe set up a skin with different fonts, colors, and so PW doesn't feel like wikipedia. have different main categories and within them the color and background of pages look different, maybe sepia. skins are a pain to make but if we could just figure a way to get a skin wired to what we like it'll endure. 

kotra: or lg high quality photo in background.

mark: the my space-ation of pw

matthew: piki is a test skin that we can use in our settings from vector. next week he'll sketch out his ideas on how we can take some of sphia's ideas and incorporate what he's already working on.

currently you can change your own skin under my preferences--appearance and then preview different skins. if we create a new PW skin, the administrator can create a default skin for everyone.

;Cool wiki examples:
mark: we should get on wikimedia developers list to see what people are working opn and struggles they have. mediawiki is designed for wikipedia but they're the most downloaded and have that push and pull with what people want.

matthew: just because it's a wiki doesn't mean it can't rock. doesn't have to be stuffy or ritualistic.

kotra; there are some wiki's out there that are really nice but they're commercially produced, e.g tiddlywiki.

matthew: also addictionary. see competitive assessment he put together about cool wiki sites: http://portlandwiki.org/PortlandWiki:GUI_CA. example, wetpaint--cool wiki that's fun to look at but it's a closed wiki to editing only by some. wikihow is well done. community page is genius. applets with status of the site with things we need. they have leader boards, great articles, fun stuff to do and things you can jump right into doing. it's super customized.

if we were to go after home, community and current events page and make those interesting, that could help.

mark: jack herrick has done a great example with this, outstanding wiki. he's also pretty cool about sharing tech, if we ask him.

Mark: spoke with their editor and they said it doesn't make them money to have people editing the wiki, only for editors to do that. 

mark: pmwiki

sylvia: maybe we get a list of cool wikis and look at them and see what elements we like and could be possible.

dave: we could look at new platforms. mediawiki is totally tested and has huge user and developer base. challenge is there's a culture that we only care about wikipedia--the brilliance of 2002.

kotra: we should at least reach for a new bar to reach. will be around for yrs and yrs

mark: but people also like wikipedia because it's stable and has been there for 10 yrs.

dave: people who grew up on facebook and twitter and know wikipedia only as an information base, don't know how to use wikis.

dave: keep an eye on recent changes because we're getting spam--if there's a huge rash of it, he'll shut down and make it so no anonymous editing for a while.


;C. PW survey update
we only have 3 responses, let's get out the word!

kotra is sending personal emails to all login users. mark didn't finish sending to bloggers; sylvia will help

julie: even though deadline is next wed suggest we could go a little longer 1-2 weeks. We'll each do more outreach for survey. sylvia will send invites to pw and ww email groups.


;D. Recent Changes
matthew hacked something to start taking out things a new person doesn't need to know, e.g. diffs, time. you could go thru a period of cascading skins. you get simplistic skins and admins or others who want can see everything. 

kotra: have button with full expand. dave: maybe have little avatars there.

==WikiWednesday Meetup 8/17/11==
At The Mezz (Whole Foods NW Couch/12th). In attendance: Kotra, Julie, Mark, Sylvia. Note taker: Sylvia

'''Informal Discussion Agenda:'''
* PortlandWiki survey
:a) Sylvia posted a link to the survey on the PW homepage, along with additional info on the survey page for visitors.
:b) Mark created a http://bit.ly.com/PortlandWiki2011Survey link to help us track survey traffic.
:c) Sylvia sent out invite links to the survey on PortlandWiki's Twitter, Facebook page, and blog.
:d) Julie says only one survey has been completed since the announcements went out on Monday.
:e) We all will send out invites to people we know. Sylvia is hoping for a goal of 50 completed surveys.
:f) Kotra is sending individual invites to all PortlandWiki account holders (approx 90).
:g) Mark is sending invites to local bloggers.

* Captcha
:a) Kotra spoke with Dave about the tough captcha questions which we learned we were done intentionally as Dave tests different security options for PW.
:b) Kotra has written some new questions and will follow up again with Dave.

During the work portion of the meeting, we edited various pages on PW and worked on admin system problems.

==WikiWednesday Meetup 8/10/11==
At The Mezz (Whole Foods NW Couch/12th). In attendance: Kotra, Julie, Mark, Sylvia. Note taker: Sylvia

'''Informal Agenda:'''
* PortlandWiki survey draft
:a) We reviewed the draft Julie created and we all made editing suggestions. At the end of the meeting, Julie posted a link to the [[Survey]]. Please help enhance the page.
:b) Kotra and Sylvia will invite all PortlandWiki participants with a login account to complete the survey.
:c) Mark will send out an invitation on [http://twitter.com/portlandwiki/ PortlandWiki Twitter] and the [http://portlandwiki.blogspot.com/ PortlandWiki weblog].
:d) Julie will send an email invite to the PW email list and invite them to participate in this second survey.
:e) We need volunteers to post the survey invite on the PW homepage and on the [http://www.facebook.com/pages/PortlandWiki-A-City-Wiki-for-Portland-Oregon/153946741284141 PortlandWiki Facebook] page.
:f) All PW social networking account posts should include an ask to forward/share the survey invite to other networks.
:g) After the survey is sent out, Kotra will post the results from the pre-test survey (sent to members of the PW email list) on the PW so as to not bias the public survey. 

* Generating revenue through PortlandWiki
:a) The question of whether or not to raise revenue through PW has been brought up in previous meetings.
:b) It seems there are some systems needs (e.g., extensions help, [[mediawikiwiki:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] expertise) that can't be met solely through current volunteers. Having funds available for volunteer support of in-depth work or small contracting projects could help us better develop the site.
:c) We pondered placing a question on the survey to get suggestions on how PW could raise funds. We opted instead to discuss this at a future Saturday session so that the issue/context can be discussed with others in person.

* PortlandWiki statistics
:a) Mark and Kotra reviewed the PW stats. The numbers look pretty good so far in our ranking and page views.
:b) They raised concerns that it looks like our pages are being quadruple indexed and, thus, need to be redirected. They agree the pages should redirect to http://PortlandWiki.org (without the www).

* Domain names
:a) Mark will buy a couple of domains related to [[WikiWednesday]] that recently became available so that we can use/redirect them for our work.

* Captcha questions
:a) Kotra tells us that Dave has been testing out questions in place of the standard captcha math (for persons not logged in to the site) since spammers have broken it.
:b) At the end of the meeting (when Julie tried to post the survey on the wiki) we humorously discovered that we couldn't answer several of the questions. They were a bit confusing.
:c) It was suggested that we each send Dave a few question and answer ideas to help protect the site.
:d) Kotra will check with Dave about the questions.
:: Hey All: Sorry about the confusing [[wikipedia:CAPTCHA|captcha]] questions. In all honesty, questions like "Who will grab your junk if you want to fly the friendly skies from your bleak airport to beautiful Portland, Oregon? (Answer: "Cop Au Feele") were not meant to be taken seriously. These are just joke questions that (hopefully) nobody with a [[PortlandWiki]] [[Special:ListUsers|account]] is being confronted with. Unfortunately we are apparently no closer to figuring out a solution for allowing anonymous editing without running the risk of getting overloaded by vandalism, despite [[User:WikiMaster/Projects#Spam_.2F_Vandalism|serious effort]] directed at this issue. --[[User:WikiMaster|WikiMaster]] ([[User talk:WikiMaster|talk]]) 20:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

* Next meeting suggestions
:a) Review survey participation numbers and get volunteers to help with follow-up communication to encourage response.
:b) Suggest use of PortlandWiki calendar to schedule/sign-up for areas of needed volunteer work.
:c) Other ideas?

==WikiWednesday Meetup 8/3/11==
At The Mezz (Whole Foods NW Couch/12th). In attendance: Matthew, Julie, Mark, Sylvia. Note taker: Sylvia

'''Informal Agenda:'''
* PortlandWiki features
:a) Matthew and Mark discussed creating templates for people on venue pages.
:b) Mark and Matthew looked at different extensions to possibly pull in javascript.
:c) Mark and Matthew talked about Matthew's vision for content curation on at least the main page.

* Survey update
:a) Julie and Sylvia reviewed the responses from the PW survey sent out to persons on the PW email list.
:b) Julie and Sylvia began work on a follow up survey by focusing on themes and overlapping concerns to gain additional and specific feedback from other contributors and readers.
:c) Julie will send out a draft of the new survey in the next couple of days.
:d) Sylvia will begin prepping for the distribution of the follow-up survey to all persons who created a login account on PW, plus invitations through PW's social media accounts.

* PortlandWiki outreach
:a) Dave reported via email that he attended a meet up for the Portland Young Workers, part of a campaign called Young Emerging Labor Leaders (YELL), organized by Working America. They seemed pretty receptive to the idea of improving their use of social media and other web-based technology. It may be possible that we can introduce wiki in general, PortlandWiki in particular, and the idea of how beneficial tools like wiki can be for organizing.
:b) Dave will focus on outreach work for the next few weeks.

* For the next PW meet-up
:a) Review status of the follow up survey
:b) Suggestions?


==WikiWednesday Meetup 7/27/11==
At The Mezz (Whole Foods NW Couch/12th). In attendance: Matthew, Julie, Mark, Sylvia. Note taker: Sylvia

'''Informal Agenda:'''
* Review preliminary results from PortlandWiki (PW) survey.
:a) As of last night we received 6 responses, plus 2 more today.
:b) We discussed some of the overlapping concerns and themes.
:c) Thanks to Julie for pulling this together!
:d) Julie and Sylvia will follow up with Kotra to plan sending it out to more people to increase participation and gain additional feedback about PortlandWiki.

* PortlandWiki front page
:a) Matthew is still trying to figure out how a skin could be done to create a friendlier and more modern look. Mark reviewed a couple of skins on other mediawiki sites.
:b) Matthew and Kotra are working to create a bolder search bar.
:c) In addition, Matthew will try to determine how to move the css from the bottom to the top of the page to recognize who worked on a page.

* Community Leadership Summit and PW
:a) Matthew and Mark discussed their experiences at the CLS the past weekend.
:b) Matthew held two sessions on PortlandWiki and received good questions and feedback. He'll put his summit feedback on the wiki soon.

* Creating structure for future meet ups
:a) A few folks have suggested we create more structure for these meetings that will allow for open discussion, focused planning and decision-making, and collaborative online work.
:b) Among the suggestions: keep Wed meet ups to 1 hr for discussion then begin to determine collaborative work: red link pages; pages needing more content (put out calls?)
:c) Each week a volunteer will take notes, send them to the email list and post them on PW.
:d) Sylvia suggested we also consider drafting simple meeting agendas.
:e) Julie suggested that we write 3 topics on wiki that we want to talk about at the next mtg.

* Other suggestions
:a) Mark suggested we have a PW flyer to put out at events; maybe print more stickers, smaller ones.
:b) Matthew and Mark discussed getting two-sided PW business cards (Vistaprint?), perhaps one side with the PW website then space to write in the name of a page when we discuss the site with someone.
:c) Julie reminded us that we still need to create badges for PW to acknowledge the work of contributors.
:d) Matthew suggested we consider getting durable, acrylic press badges.

* For the next meet-up
:a) Review the additional survey results and determine next steps, i.e., content analysis, ranking of most frequent results, follow up survey to narrow down PW priorities. 
:b) Mark and Matthew will report back on their attendance at OSCON as reps of PW.

== References ==
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